Post by crosshairs93 on Dec 11, 2008 9:27:12 GMT -5
I don' take credit for this all the credit goes to Harenil, I just posted it.
Kuan Ju Works Remington 700p Bolt Action Precision Rifle Review.
By Daniel M Wilson AKA Harenil. All photographs in this review are taken by Daniel Wilson and are copyrighted © 2005.
This is my first review to appear in the Sniper's Perch of Airsoft Retreat, all my other reviews have been in Spring and EBB/LPEG/Mini discussion. I hope this review meets your expectations. I know you all have been waiting patiently for a while now, I'm sorry it took so long to get it typed up, as most of you know, I've been very busy, my computer died, and I've been just plain tired. So without further ado, I bring you my take on the KJW M700 PSS.
I decided to order this rifle a while back. At the time it was pay $220 for an overseas dealer plus $40-$60 shipping for just the rifle, or pay $210 shipped for the gun, a bag of Infinity .28s and a large rifle bag. I chose the obvious choice, despite my dislike for Jungle Toy. I ordered Tuesday night, and got it on Saturday a couple hours before going to work. It came in a MASSIVE package, and I couldn't help thinking, "I ordered a m700, not a 1919!" I opened the huge box and pulled out a plastic wrapped bundle of goodies. The rifle itself came in a boring brown box. A very large rifle bag was strapped to it. I cut the plastic wrap and opened the carboard encasement, and was pleased to see a very good looking Remington 700p replica. I picked up the rifle and was surprised by its weight. It felt very solid, but the stock was feeling a bit hollow. However, dispite this, the rifle feels extremely real. The stock feels nearly identical to it's Tanaka counterpart, only being surpassed by Classic Army's stock, which, I do believe IS manufactured by HS Precision exclusively for Classic Army. The metal is about what you would expect from KJW - cheap. I mean, it's sturdy and solid feeling, but it looks... well, if you have a KJW, you know what I mean. The next thing I did was remove the magazine and cycle it. It felt very good to cycle the bolt with no resistance. Now, I'll admit, I've never cycled a Remington, but I have used a springfield 1903 extensively, and cycled a Weatherby Mark V, as well as various other bolt action rifles. This thing feels real. Very real. The rfle bag it came with is excellant. Roomy enough to fit the M700 with scope and bipod mounted.
I mounted the Outer's Rock Mount I bought at Walmart a few days earlier, and the thing was a beauty. I had not yet bought my scope at that time, but I knew which one I wanted. Real 700p's are generally mounted with Leupold Mk4 M3 scopes. There are replicas of this in airsoft but I decided against them for several reasons. One, optical clarity, I really wanted a scope that was super sharp. Two, accesories, true, you can buy accessories for airsoft scopes, but no M3 replica out has a sunshade, I really wanted one. Three, value, I think we all can agree airsoft replicas are not a very good value. Thus the obvious choice was the Leapers 3-12x44mm 30mm tube scope. It has exceptional clarity, a Mildot reticle, side paralax correction, and look like an clone of Leupold M3s. It's not an exact clone, but hey, neither is range of the rifle itself. At $115 including rings, this scope is excellant. I recently got it an mounted it with B-Square 30mm Sport Utility Rings. The gun looks very nice with it mounted. Now, I'm sure you all already have heard of it's great looks, and you all care about how it performs.
Well, You are in for a treat. I setup dual targets at 115 feet to compare directly with the VSR-10. Now, before I start I'd like to state the the conditions weren't great. There was quite a bit of wind. I tried to shoot when there was no wind, but that didn't really happen. Also, I'd like to state that the accuracy at 115 feet DOES NOT necessarily dictate how good/bad it's accuracy is at longer ranges.
KJW M700p:
HCW (Harenil Custom Works) VSR-10
Ok, there you have it, 10inches for the KJW, 5 for the VSR-10. Now, remember, heavy wind. I'm sure you are all like "harenil! You said your VSR-10 could do 3inches at 200 feet!"
And yes, you are right. I did say that. And it's true. Normally, with no wind I can achieve 1-2inches at the same ranges on this test, and the grouping enlarges ever so slightly at 200 feet. Also, the KJWs accuracy seems to be somewhere around 5inches at 115 feet under good conditions (which I didn't have in this test) and expands to around 8-10 at 200 feet. I don't know what makes the grouping act this way, perhaps it's the tighter bore of my VSR-10. Thus, this makes me conclude that a tightbore would do wonder for the KJW. Now, I'd love to give you all 200' and beyond tests, but my yard isn't that big. However, at our game site I did some "tests". Yeah so what if trees aren't the best targets, but please, take my word on this. 225 feet. No wind. VSR-10 vs KJW M700. With my vsr-10 I was picking knotholes to hit, and I was hitting them, or being off by an inch or two. However, with the KJW M700, I could only hit the tree's width consistantly. That makes people easy at that range. I had this one shot at around 200 feet during the game. I wasn't really trying to hide, just crouching there in plain old BDUs. By little brother hastily walked between cover, and I aimed with a 2 mil lead and hit him square in the side. Shortly after I moved up and was sniped by a G-spec... Anyways... accuracy. The VSR-10 went straight until some outside factor effected it, (IE wind) but the KJW M700 had some problems. Due to it's hopup, shots would sometimes overhop or curve off. I used SGMs all the time in it, so I know it wasn't the BBs. I must conclude the hopup (Big surprise coming up) isn't as good as the VSR-10's. Oh well, not like I was expecting it to.
(HCW VSR-10, left, KJW M700, middle, Winchester 12-50x60 spotter, right)
(HCW VSR-10, left, KJW M700, right)
(KJW M700, left, HCW VSR-10, right)
(KJW M700 on my porch)
Ok, now you have an idea how it performs, which is excellant for the mere 200 dollars that it is. Remember, it's being compared to the best.
Is it worth the money? Could I recommend it to anyone who doesn't want to mess upgrades? Heck yes. 200 dollars is an extremely low ammount for a rifle of this performance. It looks great, and is built like a tank, I have trouble recommending the VSR-10 over this if you wouldn't upgrade the VSR-10. This thing easily shoots 550 outa the box, with reasonable accuracy. The VSR-10 shoots 300 outa the box with exceptional accuracy. Take you pick.
Harenil out.
If you have any questions, post them and I'll do my best to get you your answers.
sorry, i couldn't get the photos in.
Kuan Ju Works Remington 700p Bolt Action Precision Rifle Review.
By Daniel M Wilson AKA Harenil. All photographs in this review are taken by Daniel Wilson and are copyrighted © 2005.
This is my first review to appear in the Sniper's Perch of Airsoft Retreat, all my other reviews have been in Spring and EBB/LPEG/Mini discussion. I hope this review meets your expectations. I know you all have been waiting patiently for a while now, I'm sorry it took so long to get it typed up, as most of you know, I've been very busy, my computer died, and I've been just plain tired. So without further ado, I bring you my take on the KJW M700 PSS.
I decided to order this rifle a while back. At the time it was pay $220 for an overseas dealer plus $40-$60 shipping for just the rifle, or pay $210 shipped for the gun, a bag of Infinity .28s and a large rifle bag. I chose the obvious choice, despite my dislike for Jungle Toy. I ordered Tuesday night, and got it on Saturday a couple hours before going to work. It came in a MASSIVE package, and I couldn't help thinking, "I ordered a m700, not a 1919!" I opened the huge box and pulled out a plastic wrapped bundle of goodies. The rifle itself came in a boring brown box. A very large rifle bag was strapped to it. I cut the plastic wrap and opened the carboard encasement, and was pleased to see a very good looking Remington 700p replica. I picked up the rifle and was surprised by its weight. It felt very solid, but the stock was feeling a bit hollow. However, dispite this, the rifle feels extremely real. The stock feels nearly identical to it's Tanaka counterpart, only being surpassed by Classic Army's stock, which, I do believe IS manufactured by HS Precision exclusively for Classic Army. The metal is about what you would expect from KJW - cheap. I mean, it's sturdy and solid feeling, but it looks... well, if you have a KJW, you know what I mean. The next thing I did was remove the magazine and cycle it. It felt very good to cycle the bolt with no resistance. Now, I'll admit, I've never cycled a Remington, but I have used a springfield 1903 extensively, and cycled a Weatherby Mark V, as well as various other bolt action rifles. This thing feels real. Very real. The rfle bag it came with is excellant. Roomy enough to fit the M700 with scope and bipod mounted.
I mounted the Outer's Rock Mount I bought at Walmart a few days earlier, and the thing was a beauty. I had not yet bought my scope at that time, but I knew which one I wanted. Real 700p's are generally mounted with Leupold Mk4 M3 scopes. There are replicas of this in airsoft but I decided against them for several reasons. One, optical clarity, I really wanted a scope that was super sharp. Two, accesories, true, you can buy accessories for airsoft scopes, but no M3 replica out has a sunshade, I really wanted one. Three, value, I think we all can agree airsoft replicas are not a very good value. Thus the obvious choice was the Leapers 3-12x44mm 30mm tube scope. It has exceptional clarity, a Mildot reticle, side paralax correction, and look like an clone of Leupold M3s. It's not an exact clone, but hey, neither is range of the rifle itself. At $115 including rings, this scope is excellant. I recently got it an mounted it with B-Square 30mm Sport Utility Rings. The gun looks very nice with it mounted. Now, I'm sure you all already have heard of it's great looks, and you all care about how it performs.
Well, You are in for a treat. I setup dual targets at 115 feet to compare directly with the VSR-10. Now, before I start I'd like to state the the conditions weren't great. There was quite a bit of wind. I tried to shoot when there was no wind, but that didn't really happen. Also, I'd like to state that the accuracy at 115 feet DOES NOT necessarily dictate how good/bad it's accuracy is at longer ranges.
KJW M700p:
HCW (Harenil Custom Works) VSR-10
Ok, there you have it, 10inches for the KJW, 5 for the VSR-10. Now, remember, heavy wind. I'm sure you are all like "harenil! You said your VSR-10 could do 3inches at 200 feet!"
And yes, you are right. I did say that. And it's true. Normally, with no wind I can achieve 1-2inches at the same ranges on this test, and the grouping enlarges ever so slightly at 200 feet. Also, the KJWs accuracy seems to be somewhere around 5inches at 115 feet under good conditions (which I didn't have in this test) and expands to around 8-10 at 200 feet. I don't know what makes the grouping act this way, perhaps it's the tighter bore of my VSR-10. Thus, this makes me conclude that a tightbore would do wonder for the KJW. Now, I'd love to give you all 200' and beyond tests, but my yard isn't that big. However, at our game site I did some "tests". Yeah so what if trees aren't the best targets, but please, take my word on this. 225 feet. No wind. VSR-10 vs KJW M700. With my vsr-10 I was picking knotholes to hit, and I was hitting them, or being off by an inch or two. However, with the KJW M700, I could only hit the tree's width consistantly. That makes people easy at that range. I had this one shot at around 200 feet during the game. I wasn't really trying to hide, just crouching there in plain old BDUs. By little brother hastily walked between cover, and I aimed with a 2 mil lead and hit him square in the side. Shortly after I moved up and was sniped by a G-spec... Anyways... accuracy. The VSR-10 went straight until some outside factor effected it, (IE wind) but the KJW M700 had some problems. Due to it's hopup, shots would sometimes overhop or curve off. I used SGMs all the time in it, so I know it wasn't the BBs. I must conclude the hopup (Big surprise coming up) isn't as good as the VSR-10's. Oh well, not like I was expecting it to.
(HCW VSR-10, left, KJW M700, middle, Winchester 12-50x60 spotter, right)
(HCW VSR-10, left, KJW M700, right)
(KJW M700, left, HCW VSR-10, right)
(KJW M700 on my porch)
Ok, now you have an idea how it performs, which is excellant for the mere 200 dollars that it is. Remember, it's being compared to the best.
Is it worth the money? Could I recommend it to anyone who doesn't want to mess upgrades? Heck yes. 200 dollars is an extremely low ammount for a rifle of this performance. It looks great, and is built like a tank, I have trouble recommending the VSR-10 over this if you wouldn't upgrade the VSR-10. This thing easily shoots 550 outa the box, with reasonable accuracy. The VSR-10 shoots 300 outa the box with exceptional accuracy. Take you pick.
Harenil out.
If you have any questions, post them and I'll do my best to get you your answers.
sorry, i couldn't get the photos in.
